YeSung on Solitude, Small Happiness, and Twenty Years of Self-Discipline
理科太太 Li Ke Tai TaiIn this interview for the Taiwanese channel LIKETAITAI, YeSung of SUPER JUNIOR talks with the host while in Seoul to film an endorsement for Better Biosciences. The conversation covers personality, time alone, sleep, diet, stress, and how YeSung's idea of happiness has changed. The thread running through it is the habits that sustained a 20-year idol career, and what YeSung would tell their younger self on debut day.
Opposite Personalities
The conversation opens on a light note. The host suggests calling YeSung "YeSung hyung," since Korean uses honorifics. YeSung jokingly asks whether they are older than the host, and the host explains being surprised by how young YeSung looks.
The talk turns to MBTI. YeSung confirms being an INFJ, with the "F" (feeling) dimension above 80%. The host says they are the exact opposite, with "T" (thinking) at 100%. YeSung notes that one SUPER JUNIOR member is also 100% "T," and says they sometimes envy people with that trait.
Asked whether such different people can still be friends, YeSung says yes. Shared common ground helps them get along, but YeSung argues that the differences themselves are what let them understand each other better.
A Night Owl Who Values Time Alone
YeSung describes themself as a night owl. Late at night is their "me time," and it is when most of their thoughts come. What they do then varies: sometimes games, sometimes watching things, sometimes work if there is work to finish. Mostly, they protect that time for themself.
The host observes that many people now find it hard to be alone and asks for advice. YeSung says they never feel uncomfortable alone and actually enjoy it. Part of that, they think, comes from their career: they learned to be comfortable with themself from a young age, and wanting to succeed meant spending a lot of time focusing on themself. But YeSung identifies a different "real trigger." During that time alone, they could feel themself growing, little by little, and that is when solitude became something they truly enjoyed.
Sleep Problems and the Endorsed Product
Asked whether they slept well before the day's busy schedule, YeSung says sleep is often difficult. One reason they give is that they watch what they eat. The other is a habit whose start they cannot pinpoint: at some point they began to hate going to bed early. They enjoy the late-night solitude so much that an early night feels like a loss.
The host then brings up the sponsor's "Airplane Mode Capsule," a sleep product. YeSung says that before receiving the proposal, they had assumed few people shared their sleep problems and wondered whether anything could help. On getting the product, they thought, "This is it." The host explains that the capsule contains saffron and magnesium, which the host says help the body relax. The host suggests it suits people who are stressed or have high expectations of themselves, and so would suit YeSung.
Training, Diet, and Starting Early on Intermittent Fasting
The host congratulates YeSung on SUPER JUNIOR's 20 years of popularity and asks how they have kept up their public image for so long, noting that YeSung manages their diet, stays in shape, and takes many supplements.
YeSung says that in their twenties they overtrained and were often injured. They then switched to moderate workouts and a stricter diet, and over time those habits made a real difference. They now eat very little made with flour and have been strict about carbohydrates and flour in general.
YeSung explains this as part of a long-term plan formed young. If they wanted to last in the entertainment industry, the first requirement was skill and the second was slowing down aging as much as possible. So they experimented with many approaches. One example they point to is intermittent fasting, which they say they began in their early twenties, before it became widely popular, and which they have found very helpful.
The host, who also practices intermittent fasting, asks how long YeSung fasts. YeSung says they once ate only one meal a day but found it hard to sustain. They now eat two light meals: one is just a shake, and the other is a small, simple meal.
Why YeSung Stays Away from Cooking
The host points out that Korean food tends to be heavily seasoned and asks whether cutting sugar and salt means YeSung cooks for themself. YeSung lives with their parents and does not cook, and says they are not interested in cooking anyway. They get hungry often, so if they liked cooking, sticking to their diet would be very hard. They deliberately keep their distance from it, calling it "dangerous" for them. When mukbang videos became a trend, they found it torture.
The host shares a joke at their own expense. After the host posted a video cooking squirrel fish, a commenter wrote that the fish "has died a million times on the internet," meaning the cooking was bad. The host adds that cooking for themself actually kills their appetite, so they cook when they want to lose weight. YeSung says they will try it sometime.
Handling Stress and Redefining Happiness
Asked how they stay calm after 20 years in a stressful environment, YeSung says they have no special method. They tend to go with the flow, though they stress that they are "not a robot." Usually they just wait, since time lets things settle. When things get really hard, they look for happiness somewhere else.
That leads to what happiness means to them. In their twenties, YeSung believed happiness had to be something big. Over time that view changed, and they even wrote a song about it. They now believe happiness often comes from small things. They have always liked Winnie the Pooh and cite a line they often see associated with it: "Happiness is always around me. Even the smallest happiness is always surrounding you." Since then, they have tried not to let those small moments of happiness slip away.
The host connects this to a book by Korean psychiatrist Han Seong-hee, written as a letter to her forty-year-old daughter. The host summarizes one of its ideas: even if life stays the same, our task is to find happiness in the ordinary and look for small joys. YeSung agrees.
From a "Gangster Vibe" to Gentler Eyes
The host mentions that people once said YeSung gave off a "gangster vibe," but now say they have mellowed out, and asks whether this reflects a change in mindset since their twenties. YeSung says a lot has changed over the years and feels their eyes have become gentler. They used to look very sharp; not so much anymore.
YeSung adds that they do not have as strong a personality as people imagine. Pointing back to being an "F" type, they say they get hurt easily. In their view, truly strong people do not care about such things, focus on themselves, and do not make their strength apparent. People like YeSung, they say, show everything on their face.
A Message to the Pre-Debut Self
Asked what one thing they would say to themself on the day before debut, YeSung answers: "Live happier." Back then, they did not really know how to enjoy life.
The host links this to the Han Seong-hee book again. According to the host, the book says that once you learn to let go of what does not matter and focus on what does, your golden era begins, and the author places that real golden era after forty, because by then you stop wasting time on people who don't matter. The host says this ties in with everything YeSung said and adds that everything they went through was not in vain. YeSung agrees.
Why YeSung Took the Endorsement
The host asks why YeSung trusted Better Biosciences enough to become its ambassador. YeSung explains that they recently had a personal goal: to land a solo advertisement that suited them before it became "too late." Last year they raised this with their company, saying they were open to almost anything as long as the concept wasn't too strange. The Better Biosciences project came up around then, and YeSung immediately said they wanted to do it.
YeSung also expresses gratitude to Taipei. Last year they were named Artist of the Year on KKBOX, an award they say they had not received in a long time, and the endorsement offer followed soon after. The host clarifies that the ad was not given because of the award but because the team genuinely likes YeSung. YeSung laughs that they just wanted to brag a little, and the host promises to put it in the teaser trailer.
On why the brand fits, YeSung says they have long been interested in vitamins and know more about the field than people might expect, and they habitually take various supplements. When the proposal came, they saw that many of the products were similar to what they already take. Their reasoning was that promoting products they already understand would let them explain and introduce them better than promoting something unfamiliar.
A Free Day, Cafés, and Taipei
If they had no work the next day, YeSung says, the day would revolve around hobbies, which they get deeply into. Lately the routine has been consistent. In good weather with no schedule, they go out and take photos. In bad weather, or if they don't feel like going out, they are happy staying in their room, which is full of things they can enjoy alone.
Since the crew is staying in Seoul a few more days, the host asks YeSung, as a café owner, for dessert recommendations. YeSung says there are far too many good places in Korea, and the host jokes they should start with YeSung's own café.
YeSung then talks about Taipei, where they held concerts two weeks earlier. They like the city's atmosphere, which they describe as having a mature, seasoned charm and a "realness" different from Korea, with many interesting vintage corners. They looked up many cafés online, are already planning where to go next time, and say they really want to return.
Holding Back on Taipei Food
Asked about favorite Taipei foods, YeSung says they barely ate this time. The team went out after the concert, but YeSung stayed behind for fear of being unable to resist, holding back because of the upcoming ad shoot. They do remember one snack fans gave them: peanut-flavored, long, and packaged in a tube-shaped container. YeSung ate one whenever they got hungry but cannot remember its name. The host identifies it as peanut brittle and promises to bring some next time, along with a single xiao long bao, since YeSung avoids carbs. The host adds that eating it once in a while is fine.
The Name Pun
The interview closes on wordplay. The product is called "Sialic Acid Probiotics," and in Mandarin "YeSung" sounds like the word for probiotics (Yi Sheng). The host notes that people in Taiwan love this kind of pun and calls it a perfect match. YeSung agrees that it feels made for them, and says they will work hard "until the day we renew the contract."
In Korean, there are honorifics, right? So, I’ll just call you "Yesung hyung" then.
Am I older than you?
Honestly, I just wanted to brag a little bit. It had been a while since I got an award like that.
We’ll make sure that goes in the teaser trailer.
I’ve realized that happiness often comes from the little things. There’s this quote I always see in Winnie the Pooh: "Happiness is always around me. Even the smallest happiness is always surrounding you." So I’ve started to make an effort not to let those tiny happiness slip away.
Hi, everyone! How are you today? Welcome to LIKETAITAI. Right next to me is Yesung from SUPER JUNIOR.
Hello, everyone! Nice to meet you all. I’m Yesung from SUPER JUNIOR. Hello, I’m Yesung.
In Korean, there are honorifics, right? So, I’ll just call you "Yesung hyung" then.
Am I older than you?
No, it’s just that you mentioned you have a son earlier. But you look so young, so I was a bit surprised.
My MBTI doesn’t have an "F".
I’m happy anyway. Feel free to call me whatever you like.
I heard that your MBTI is INFJ.
Yeah, I’m an INFJ. The "F" is over 80%, that’s quite high.
I’m exactly the opposite. My "T" is at 100%.
We actually have a member who is 100% "T" as well. I can really feel how opposite we are in many ways. That’s why I sometimes kind of envy people with a "T" personality.
But are you still friends? Even with such big differences?
Yeah. Of course, it might be because we still have some things in common that help us get along. However, it's actually because of those differences that we’re able to understand each other better.
When do you usually find yourself thinking the most? Whether it's personal thoughts or work-related things. Are you a morning person or a night owl?
I'm a night owl. I like to have some me time late at night. That's when a lot of thoughts just come to me.
What do you usually do at night? What do you enjoy doing?
I might play games or watch different things. It’s not always the same every day. If I have to work, I focus on that. Mostly, I set aside time for myself.
I’ve noticed that nowadays, people find it really hard to be alone. Could you share some tips for people who don’t really know how to be with themselves? Could you tell them what to try?
I never feel uncomfortable being alone. In fact, I really enjoy it. Maybe it’s because of my career. Since I was young, I started to learn how to be comfortable with myself.
But the real reason I got used to being alone—of course, I wanted to be successful, so I spent more time focusing on myself. But the real trigger was that during that alone time, I could actually feel myself growing, little by little. That’s when I started to truly enjoy being alone.
Seems that you really do enjoy those late-night moments. You have a full schedule of work today. Did you do anything special last night? Did you sleep well?
First of all, since I usually watch what I eat, I often don’t sleep well. And besides not sleeping well, there’s one more thing. I don’t even know when it began. I just started hating going to bed early at some point because I really enjoy that time. I really enjoy being alone. So, going to bed too early feels like a loss. That’s probably one of the reasons.
You have tried our Airplane Mode Capsule, right? It helps with falling asleep.
Before I received the proposal and the products for this collaboration, I used to think, "Not many people have the same sleep problems I do. Is there really nothing we can do about this?" And then I got this product. At that moment, I thought, "This is it."
That’s great! Because the Airplane Mode Capsule contains saffron and magnesium, which help the body relax. If you’re stressed or have high expectations for yourself, it’s especially helpful. So I think it would be perfect for you.
Thank you for sharing such great information.
First of all, congratulations! You guys have been incredibly popular for 20 years! Maintaining that public-figure image for 20 years must be really difficult. You mentioned earlier that you really know how to take care of yourself. You manage your diet, stay in shape, and even take a lot of supplements. So I’m curious. Do you have any tips to share with everyone?
Back in my twenties, I used to overtrain and ended up getting injured a lot. So I switched to moderate workouts and started managing my diet more strictly. Over time, those habits really made a difference.
There’s one thing I’m curious about. To keep your body in great shape, do you still eat carbs?
I barely eat anything made with flour. I’ve been really strict about my carb and flour intake.
I started planning for a long-term career in the entertainment industry from a young age. My thinking back then was that if I wanted to last in this industry, the primary requirement was skill. Second, I’d need to slow down aging as much as I could. So I tried a lot of different things when I was younger.
One thing really surprised me. Nowadays, most people have heard of intermittent fasting. But I was already doing it before it got popular. I started in my early twenties. It's been super helpful.
I actually do intermittent fasting too. I'm curious, Yesung, how long do you usually fast?
I used to have just one meal a day. But that’s gotten kind of hard to keep up. So now I have two meals a day, but I keep them light. One meal is just a shake. The other is a small, simple meal.
But Korean food tends to be heavily seasoned. So if you’re cutting sugar and salt, do you have to cook for yourself?
I live with my parents, so I don’t cook. And I’m not really into cooking anyway. I get hungry a lot. If I liked cooking, it would probably be really hard for me. That’s why I try to keep my distance from it. It’s dangerous for me. So when mukbang videos started trending, it was torture.
I made a video cooking squirrel fish before. Someone left a comment that said, "Wow, this fish has died a million times on the internet." Basically, they meant I'm bad at cooking. When I want to lose weight, I'll cook my own meals. And that totally kills my appetite.
I’ll give it a try sometime.
Nice!
Being in this relatively stressed environment, especially after 20 years as an idol, how do you mentally prepare yourself to face each day calmly?
I don’t really have a special way of dealing with it. Whatever happens, I just go with the flow. But of course, I’m not a robot. Usually, I just wait it out. Time helps things settle. But when it gets tough, I will try to look for happiness somewhere else.
So, oppa, what does happiness mean to you?
In my twenties, I used to think happiness had to be something big. But over time, that idea changed. I even wrote a song about it. I’ve realized that happiness often comes from the little things.
I’ve always liked Winnie the Pooh. There’s this quote I always see in Winnie the Pooh: "Happiness is always around me. Even the smallest happiness is always surrounding you." So now, I try not to let those little happiness slip away.
I read this book by a Korean psychiatrist named Han Seong-hee. It’s a letter to her forty-year-old daughter. I really admire her. I noticed that what you just said is very similar to a concept in her book: that even though life is the same, our job is to find happiness in the ordinary. Find your small joys and happiness.
Exactly.
People used to say you gave off a "gangster vibe" back in the day. But now they say you’ve mellowed out a lot. Is that because your mindset shifted from how you were in your twenties?
Yeah, after all these years, a lot has changed. Over time, I feel like my eyes have become gentler. Back then, my eyes were really sharp. But not so much anymore.
Honestly, I don't have as strong a personality as people imagine. Actually, the really strong ones don't show it. We mentioned earlier that I’m an "F" type. I get hurt really easily. But people who are really strong don’t care about this stuff. They just focus on themselves. People who are truly strong don't make it apparent. People like me, who don't overthink, show everything on their face.
Yeah. If you could go back to the day before your debut and say just one thing to yourself, what would it be?
Live happier. I didn’t really know how to enjoy life back then.
That book I mentioned earlier talked about this, too. Once you learn to let go of what doesn’t matter and focus on what truly does, that's when your golden era begins. The author believes that after forty is your real golden era because you stop wasting time on people who don’t matter. That really ties in with everything you’ve said today, oppa.
All that we went through was not in vain.
Yeah, that’s true.
What made you feel confident in Better Biosciences and willing to become our ambassador?
First of all, recently I’ve had a goal I really wanted to achieve. My goal was to land an ad that was a good fit for me, doing it solo. So last year, I reached out to my company about it. I wanted to film a good commercial by myself before it gets too late. As long as the concept isn’t too weird, I’m open to trying anything. And right around that time, they were talking about this project. The moment I heard about it, I said, "I want to do it."
That’s great!
Honestly, I’m really grateful to Taipei. Last year, I was recognized as Artist of the Year on KKBOX. It was an award I hadn’t received in a long time. And then this endorsement offer came along right after that. I was really happy.
It’s not like you got the ad because of that award. It’s because we truly like you.
Honestly, I just wanted to brag a little bit. It had been a while since I got an award like that.
We’ll make sure that goes in the teaser trailer.
So why did you feel Better Biosciences suits you?
First of all, I’ve always been interested in learning about different vitamins. It might not seem obvious, but I actually know quite a bit about this field. That's why I habitually enjoy and make sure to take various supplements and vitamins. So when this partnership proposal came in, I realized a lot of the products were very similar to what I already take.
And I thought, since I’ve tried a lot of similar things, naturally, I'd understand this well. So if I am the one endorsing it, I think I could express it even better, and actually, I'd be able to express it well and introduce it well. Instead of promoting something I’m not quite familiar with, I believe I can do a better job endorsing products I'm already familiar with.
If you didn't have any work tomorrow, how would you spend your day?
I actually have a lot of hobbies. And when I get into something, I go really deep. Lately, my routine has been pretty much the same. If the weather’s nice and I don’t have any schedules, I’ll head out and take photos around. But if the weather’s bad, or I just don’t feel like going out, I can still have a great time just staying in my room. My room is full of things I can enjoy on my own. That’s pretty much it.
Since our whole crew is staying in Seoul for a few more days, as a café owner yourself, got any good dessert patisseries to recommend?
Way too many! Korea really does have so many great places to eat. Then maybe start with our café.
Two weeks ago, I had concerts in Taipei. I really like the vibe in Taipei. That's because the city is filled with a really mature and seasoned charm. I searched online and found so many amazing cafés. I’m already thinking about where to go next time I visit. Taipei has a certain realness that's quite different compared to Korea. There are tons of interesting vintage corners. I just wanted to say, I really want to go back.
So, is there any Taipei food you especially like? Next time you're here, we’ll bring it to you!
I didn’t really get to eat much this time. The team went out after the concert, but I didn’t join. I was afraid I wouldn't be able to resist. I held back because of this ad shoot.
There was something—I don’t know what it's called. Whenever I got hungry, I’d just grab one. It was peanut-flavored, long, and came in a tube-shaped container. Fans gave me a bunch of them this time, but I just can’t remember the name. I really like it.
Next time you're in Taipei, I’ll get you peanut brittles! And one xiao long bao, since you can’t eat carbs.
One xiao long bao? I love xiao long bao, too.
I’ll bring it to you. It’s okay to eat once in a while.
Thank you for accommodating this interview. Thanks for sharing how you take care of both your body and your mind.
Yesung Probiotics. See you next time in Taipei!
You pronounced it so well!
I’ll work hard until the day we renew the contract!
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This is called Sialic Acid Probiotics (with Yesung inside, a pun on his name in Chinese). Yi Sheng (jun) (probiotics; sounds like "Yesung" in Mandarin).
Did you know "Yesung" sounds just like "probiotics" in Chinese? People in Taiwan are really into wordplay like this. It’s like the perfect match.
It’s totally made for me!
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