Jenna Ortega and Amy Adams on Playing Klara, Big Families, Red-Carpet Looks, and Who Survives the Horror Movie
VogueIn this episode of Vogue's Off the Cuff, Klara and the Sun co-stars Jenna Ortega and Amy Adams take turns asking each other a set of rapid-fire questions. The format is light, but along the way the two talk about the physical and emotional demands of playing Klara, what they noticed about each other on set, and the stories behind several of their best-known red-carpet looks.
Icebreakers: Alien Movie Nights and Unlikely Comfort Films
Asked what movie to show an alien first, Amy Adams jokingly offers Arrival, a film in which she speaks to aliens, then drops it as "too on the nose" and picks The Wizard of Oz. Her co-star approves of it as a great introduction.
The answer to "most unexpected comfort movie" is 300, the Spartan film. Whoever answered says they watched it every Sunday for at least five years. The other admits it might put them to sleep.
The question about a "completely useless talent" leads to a compliment. One of them argues that the other's talent isn't useless because it makes people laugh: very niche references and callbacks. The example comes from set. When they put on their wig caps, one told the other they looked like a Snork, and the person on the receiving end assures viewers that anyone who has worn a wig cap will know the comparison is accurate.
Growing Up in Big Families
Both actors come from large families. One has six kids in the family, the other seven, and it turns out both are the fourth child. Asked for the worst part, they agree on the lack of privacy. One adds a joke: people fear someone is following them up the stairs, but in a big family someone actually is, "so you better run." The upside, as one puts it, is being comfortable with social interaction.
Personal Questions: Daydreaming, Blue Hour, and Tech Help
As a kid, one of them was told off for daydreaming and reading so much that they neglected everything else, sitting in bed with a book. The other points out that daydreaming is now basically their job.
A small thing that instantly improves the day is a good moment of light, specifically the blue hour right after the sun goes down. It's described as the favorite kind of exterior light, the kind that makes everyone stop and remark on how beautiful it looks.
Asked what they still call for help with, the answer is anything technological, mostly handled by a daughter. She goes through the phone and deletes apps her parent is paying for and doesn't need.
Wednesday's Deadpan Versus Klara's Curiosity
The most substantive career question asks Ortega whether Wednesday's deadpan or Klara's curiosity is harder to play. She leans toward Klara. Klara is so spontaneous, she explains, that "you just never know what's coming," and you don't know how far you're about to take a moment. The set felt so safe and playful that it was easy to go overboard. Wednesday is hard in a different way: the role means not visibly breathing, blinking, or showing anything. Ortega concludes that both are very physical characters, and both are complex and very different from each other.
A related question asks what very human habit Ortega had to switch off to play Klara. She says that in everyday conversation people put up barriers to protect themselves or someone else. Klara has no such barrier. When she did try to be defensive, Ortega says, it came out obviously and badly.
Adams is asked what skill she would like a future role to teach her, since she has already sung, danced, and spoken to aliens on screen. She says she has always wanted to learn guitar.
What They Noticed About Each Other
When each asks what the other noticed while they worked together, the answers turn affectionate. One is told they are hilarious, and that people don't realize how quick and witty they are. The speaker says they have never laughed harder on a set.
The other is called "kind of a Goonie," as in "Goonies never say die." The explanation is that they will try anything, they are game for digging deep to get to the truth of a scene, and they bring a real teamwork attitude. The recipient replies that they love The Goonies.
Guess the Look
Next, each identifies photos of their own past looks:
- Enchanted: Adams recognizes her "curtain dress" immediately.
- Met Gala (2022 or 2023, the speaker isn't sure): A Thom Browne look, which the other says makes them look like the Little Mermaid. The wearer says they love Thom Browne, calls him a sweetheart, and says he is their birthday twin.
- The Oscars, in Oscar de la Renta: The wearer says the aim was to dress like their 14-year-old self would have wanted to at the Oscars, something princess-like and dreamlike.
- Ashi Studio at the London premiere of Wednesday season 2, last year: Ortega describes it as snakeskin-like and very intense to put on. She loved it and thought the overall effect was striking.
- Valentino at the Golden Globes: Adams identifies it confidently. She says she wore it with what she believes was a six-carat Lorraine Schwartz diamond, and that it was flowy and dreamlike, the way she likes a dress. She first wonders whether she was nominated for The Fighter, then corrects herself: it was American Hustle, and she won.
Lightning Round
The quick-choice round yields a list of preferences: musical over sci-fi, horror over comedy, Adams's American Hustle wardrobe over her Enchanted one, Ortega's own wardrobe over Wednesday's, singing over dancing, dramatic over deadpan, platforms over flats, vintage over new, all black over a pop of color, sunset over sunrise, and book before film. On ball gown versus trouser suit, the answer is ball gown, with the admission that they know they "should" say trouser suit.
Who Survives the Horror Movie, and Who Wins the Dance-Off
On which of them would last longer in a horror film, one names the other, who answers that people would be more excited to see her go. Her co-star objects: "That's not what it's about, Amy." Adams explains that she was thinking in archetypes, where the mom goes early. They settle on a shared ending as "the unlikely duo fighting the baddie," and decide they're unstoppable.
The dance-off question produces more mutual deference. Each says the other would win. They remember dancing at the wrap party "for a while." One admits they would never stop, even if someone tapped them on the shoulder. Ortega says Amy has a "floaty" quality that is light and makes dancing look effortless. A joke about a "body wave" as a signature move turns into a quick demonstration, and they conclude that the other person has the more memorable moves.
Closing Reflections
At the end, each says what the session revealed. Adams says there is much more about Ortega she would like to learn, and calls her genuine and open. On set she had to remind herself she wasn't Ortega's age, catching herself wondering whether she was acting like she was in her 20s. She says she loves working with younger actors because their energy is contagious, and adds that Ortega has an intellect that is contagious too and is a very hard worker.
Ortega says she isn't sure she learned anything new about Adams. She explains that Adams gives so much to everyone around her and wears her heart on her sleeve unapologetically, so Ortega already had an inkling of most of it, though she loves hearing her talk regardless. Adams admits she sometimes has to work not to be maternal. Ortega replies that she has to stop herself from burying herself in Adams's arms. They agree to stop holding back, hug, and sign off with "Bye, Vogue" and "Thanks for watching Off the Cuff."
Which of us would survive longer in a horror movie?
I think we end up together, like the unlikely duo fighting the baddie.
I'm okay with that, too.
That would be really fun.
Good job. Good job.
We're killing it.
Hi, I'm Jenna Ortega.
Hi, I'm Amy Adams, and this is Vogue's Off the Cuff.
Round one, icebreakers.
What would be the first movie that you show to an alien?
Arrival. No, I'm kidding. Too on the nose. The Wizard of Oz.
Oh, yes. Great. Great introduction.
What's your most unexpected comfort movie?
300. The Spartan movie? That was every Sunday of my life for at least five years.
Wow, okay.
So, that's a good one. Good one.
Might put me to sleep.
What's a completely useless talent you have?
Is any talent completely useless?
Probably some of mine.
I think you have a really incredible talent that isn't useless because it makes people laugh. Really, really niche referencing and callbacks. What was it on set when we put on our wig caps? You said I look like a Snork.
Or like...
What? Guys, if you've ever put a wig on, it's accurate.
What is the best and worst part of growing up in a big family?
I'm not uncomfortable with interactions.
Well, we both come from big families. How big is yours again?
There's six kids in mine.
Seven total in my family.
Are you again?
Four.
Okay, yes, me too.
Yeah.
What would you say is the worst? No privacy.
So true.
Or when people are afraid someone's following up the stairs. Well, in big families, someone is in fact following you up the stairs. You better run.
Yeah.
Round two, personal questions.
Let's do it.
What were you getting told off for as a kid?
Daydreaming, and I would read a lot.
That's cute.
Yeah, but I would neglect everything else because I would just sit in bed and read.
That's okay, because now you kind of daydream for a living.
Yeah. What's a small thing that instantly improves your day?
I just like a good moment of light. The blue hour, right after the sun goes down. That's my favorite kind of...
Beautiful.
Exterior light. Where everyone just kind of can't help but go...
That looks really beautiful in here.
What's one thing you still call someone else for help with?
Anything technological.
Yeah.
Yeah. Mostly, it's my daughter. She'll go through and delete apps I'm paying money for that I don't need to pay money for.
Oh. Round three, career film questions.
What's harder, playing Wednesday's deadpan or Klara's curiosity?
Maybe Klara's curiosity because she's so spontaneous that you just never know what's coming, and you don't know how far you're about to take it. And there was such a safe, playful environment on set that it was really easy to just go overboard. Whereas Wednesday's just difficult because it's like, "Okay, well, don't visibly breathe or blink or show..."
Yeah.
It's just both very physical characters.
Yeah.
But yet very complex and very different.
You've sung, danced, and spoken to aliens. What skill would you like a role to teach you next?
I want to learn how to play the guitar.
Ooh, okay.
Yeah, I've always wanted to. What did you notice about me when we were working together?
You're hilarious. You're hilarious, and I don't think you get credit or people are aware of just how quick and witty you are.
Thank you.
Yeah, never laughed harder, seriously, on a set.
What did you notice about me when we were working together?
You're kind of a Goonie.
Wait, I'm a Goonie?
Yeah, like Goonies never say die. You'll try anything. You're so game. You're so up for digging deep and getting to the truth of things. You just have this real teamwork attitude. It's beautiful.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Yeah, I love The Goonies.
What's one very human habit you had to switch off to play Klara?
Usually in day-to-day conversation, people are putting barriers on the conversations that they're having out of protection for self, protection for somebody else, whereas Klara was the opposite. There was no barrier, and if she was going to be defensive about something, it was really obvious and poorly executed.
Round four, guess the look.
Guess the look.
Ooh.
What is this from?
Oh, that's from Enchanted. That's my curtain dress.
Sure, true. That's you. You look like The Little Mermaid.
Oh.
That's Met Gala 2022 or three, I want to say, and I'm wearing a Thom Browne number.
Oh, you are correct. And how cool is Thom Browne?
I love him. He's my birthday twin.
Oh, really?
He's a sweetheart.
That. Oh, Oscar de la Renta, Oscars.
Ooh.
Yeah, I just wanted to look like what my 14-year-old self would have wanted to wear to the Oscars.
Really? You wanted to look like a princess.
Dreamlike.
That's Ashi Studio, last year at the Wednesday season two premiere in London.
Yes. Ooh, that's so cool. Yeah, I remember seeing that.
Yeah, it was like snakeskin. It was really intense to put on, but I loved it. It's really, the whole overall was very impactful.
What is this look from?
Valentino, Golden Globes.
She's so sure about that.
I also wore it with this beautiful, I believe it was Lorraine Schwartz, six-carat diamond. I absolutely loved it. It was all flowy, and you know I love a dreamlike dress. Yeah, I think I was nominated for The Fighter. And what? Or was it American Hustle? Yeah, it was for American Hustle I was nominated, and yes, I did win.
Round five, lightning round?
Yeah, let's do it. Musical or sci-fi?
Musical.
Horror or comedy?
Horror.
Your Enchanted wardrobe or your American Hustle wardrobe?
American Hustle.
Ooh. Wednesday's wardrobe or your own?
My own.
Singing or dancing?
Singing.
Deadpan or dramatic?
Dramatic.
Ball gown or trouser suit?
Ball gown. Yeah, I know I should say trouser suit. Okay, platforms or flats?
Platforms. Vintage or new?
Vintage.
All black or a pop of color?
All black.
Sunrise or sunset?
Sunset.
Yeah, no one wants to be with her.
Book first or film first?
Book.
Which of us would survive longer in a horror movie?
You would.
You think?
Yeah.
I think you've quietly got this...
I think people would be more excited to see me go?
That's not what it's about, Amy. I thought it was just archetypal.
Archetypal, like the mom goes early, or no, I get left.
I think we end up together, like the unlikely duo fighting the baddie.
I'm okay with that, too.
That would be really fun.
Good job. Good job.
We're killing it. We're unstoppable.
Running through the...
Which of us would win a dance-off?
You.
I don't know, you're so...
You're a dancer.
Do you remember we danced at the wrap party?
Nope.
In the trailer?
What is that?
No, no, no, at wrap.
Oh my God, yes, we did, for a while.
For a while.
Yeah.
I still think you.
I would definitely not stop even if they tapped my shoulder.
Amy's just got this floaty thing about her that's very light and makes it look so effortless.
A body wave kind of thing. No, I'm kidding. It's a body wave.
Did a little sample of that. I don't know if you guys clocked that, but she had a little...
What's your signature move?
See, you don't know.
You have more memorable dance moves.
Definitely being more reserved than I was.
Spitting image.
Yeah. I think there's so much more to know about Jenna that I'd like to get to know, but she's such a genuine and open person. I had to remind myself that I was not her age. Even talking, I'm like, am I acting like I think I'm in my 20s? Because sometimes when I'm around, because it's just so exuberant and curious and beautiful. I love working with younger actors because their energy is just so contagious, and I think you have an intellect about you that's also contagious.
Thank you so much.
You're such a hard worker.
Yeah.
I don't know if I learned anything about Amy, but because Amy is so wonderful and how much she gives to anyone around her all the time. So, she wears her heart on her sleeve unapologetically. Yourself. So...
Thank you.
A lot of this stuff I had an inkling for, but I love hearing her speak regardless.
I have to sometimes work to not be maternal. I feel like I always want to...
Well, I have to stop myself from burying myself into your arms.
I think we should just, let's just make it happen and we can both be happy.
Whoops, sorry. I'm going to take you down.
You're the best.
You're the best.
So sweet.
Goodbye.
Bye, Vogue.
Wait, oh, we're sitting in the car.
You say, "Bye, Vogue," and I'll say, "Thanks for watching Off the Cuff."
Okay.
I love it.
Okay.
Bye, Vogue.
Thanks for watching Off the Cuff.
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