Timothée Chalamet and Gwyneth Paltrow on Tomatoes, Giraffes, and Making Marty Supreme
VOGUE JAPANIn this Vogue "Off-The-Cuff" session, Marty Supreme co-stars Timothée Chalamet and Gwyneth Paltrow take turns asking each other rapid questions over four rounds: icebreakers, personal questions, the film itself, and a lightning round. It's a loose, joking conversation rather than an interview with a thesis. Still, it offers some glimpses of how the film was made: Paltrow's first day on set, Chalamet's claimed giraffe-based preparation, the costumes, and Kevin O'Leary's watches.
The tone is set before the introductions. Asked for the most niche table tennis fact she picked up while making the film, Paltrow says she learned nothing about table tennis. She only watched Chalamet play, which she calls "very impressive." Chalamet says he loves "an honest Gwyneth."
Icebreakers: Tomato DNA, Tron, and Car Songs
The recently learned interesting fact is that tomatoes have more DNA than human beings. The speaker says they came across it while planting heirloom tomatoes and reading up on them. The other says they never would have guessed it.
The last movie one of them watched was Tron: Legacy, seen on a flight back from Abu Dhabi. They list Jeff Bridges, Garrett Hedlund, and Olivia Wilde, and praise the "great Daft Punk score." The other says they had never heard of it.
Paltrow's first album bought with her own money was the Go-Go's debut. She couldn't remember its title but knew it had "Our Lips Are Sealed" on it. When the question turns to the first album Chalamet ever got, he offers Michael Jackson's Bad. They can't work out whether that came earlier or later, and they skip ahead.
For car singing, Chalamet's current pick is "Lady" by D'Angelo. Paltrow usually puts on Bonnie Raitt, whom she describes as an "amazing, kind of Americana singer" with "the most beautiful voice," and she promises to text him a song. Chalamet hadn't heard of Raitt. He asks whether she knows Weyes Blood, whom he places somewhat in the Lana Del Rey world. He says Weyes Blood sang some of the background vocals for Marty Supreme. They agree to check out each other's picks.
On accidentally causing chaos, Paltrow first suggests the question suits Chalamet better. She brings up his appearance at a Timothée Chalamet look-alike contest, then concedes that probably wasn't an accident. Her own answer is a roast chicken dinner she "totally biffed" while busy with wardrobe fittings for the press tour. The chicken should go in at room temperature, she explains, but she put it in cold. It wasn't undercooked, she says, just rubbery with a strange texture. "That was chaos to me."
Getting Personal: Speaking Up on Set
Asked about their funniest moment together, Chalamet names the times Paltrow got a little impatient on set. He found her "voice of authority" refreshing. Even as one of the film's leads, he says, he never felt he could speak up. He paraphrases her frustration as something like "What the hell are we doing? What is taking so long?"
He then gives some context. When a scene is intense, the actors want to keep going. On this film in particular, he says, there was a lot of waiting around. The cinematographer, Darius Khondji, was "a legend," and many people needed space. As a result, the actors' time on camera sometimes got "lost in the cracks." Paltrow always spoke up, and he thought that was great. He jokes that it made him laugh because he'd think she had places to be, like a helicopter to catch to Wildflower Farms. She goes along with the joke.
Off set, Chalamet's comfort food is what he calls "Southern comfort." He pretends he's from Baton Rouge and has mac and cheese, fried chicken, biscuits, collard greens, and okra. He says that fills him up for two days because he's "a thin guy." Asked whether he watches what he eats while working, he says he does, more and more with age. In his early-to-mid twenties he could eat anything. Now even his cheat nights are modest, which he calls "pathetic."
For a little-known fact, one of them says they have a very raunchy sense of humor that few people see or hear. The other says they could have guessed that.
Asked what they disagree on, they say they've never had an open disagreement and describe their relationship as cordial and respectful. They briefly imagine screaming at each other on set. One says it would be horrible and traumatizing. The other says it would sell tickets.
The First Day of Shooting: A Play Within the Film
In the Marty Supreme round, Paltrow says her first real shooting day, after an earlier costume test, was the entire play sequence, and Chalamet was there. She calls that "a blessing." She was nervous, but she began her career in theater, so being on a stage steadied her.
She says she was happy to be there, not regretful about taking the role. Her nerves quickly gave way to fun. The scene was staged like blocking a play, with a lot of freedom. When she asked where she should stand, she was told essentially to go wherever she liked. She found that freedom "exhilarating, but also a little scary." She also recalls laughing at a moment when Chalamet came out during the scene, and she says she broke a few times. She praises the co-star transcribed as "Fred."
Chalamet asks whether she went back to her trailer, looked in the mirror, and said, "I'm back, baby." She says she didn't. He says he would have.
Giraffes and Table Tennis Balls
Asked about unexpected preparation for the role, Chalamet says he watched many videos of giraffes to study their elongated posture. Paltrow asks whether that's true. He insists it is and says close viewers will notice moments mid-scene where he elongates himself. Asked why a giraffe, he explains that the original logo on ITTF world championship balls was a giraffe and that the giraffes were only removed recently. Someone then asks whether they're "being punked," and the conversation moves on without settling it.
Costumes and Favorite "Fits"
On choosing wardrobe, Paltrow says she's involved "the regular amount." She loves clothes and costumes and sees them as at least part of the battle of inhabiting a character. Both praise costume designer Miyako. They describe the process as looking through lots of pictures, trying on "a million" vintage suits, and talking it through. They call her "extraordinarily talented."
When asked about Marty's favorite "fit," Paltrow doesn't recognize the slang. Chalamet teases her by pretending it's an acronym that requires an "initiation" to learn. His favorite outfit is a fresh mint short-sleeve tee layered over a sweater. It appears in the lunch sequence with Kevin O'Leary set in Paris, which he says was one of his first shooting days. He adds that director Josh Safdie had him wear real glasses, so while walking around outside in New York he "really couldn't see a thing." At least, they agree, the outfit was good.
Looking Back at Old Photos
Next they're shown photos. Chalamet quickly places one of himself, which he says is embarrassing to know so fast. It's from a pre-SAG Awards party when he was 16 or 17. He points out tomato sauce on the left side of his face, since he hadn't expected any photos.
Paltrow recognizes a very '90s premiere look of hers and says she still owns the piece. Chalamet calls the photo "a Pinterest favorite." He asks whether she feels she represents the coolest generation in Hollywood. She says she doesn't generally think that way. He argues his generation is "slacking" and says the '90s had a great vibe. Asked whether it's now hard for anything not to feel referential, she says "yes, extremely," because she has "seen everything before."
She explains that there were no stylists then and she was her own. For red carpets, designers sent look books and she picked pieces herself. She calls the process low-fi and fun, and more a way of expressing yourself. She describes the attitude as "very Gen X": "we're too cool to try that hard."
They also look at a picture of the real player named in the transcript as Marty Weisman ("what a cool guy") and one of Kevin O'Leary with two watches. Chalamet explains that O'Leary simply wears two watches. They were his personal watches, and O'Leary told him their value would go up if they made it into the movie. Paltrow notes that O'Leary is a watch collector.
Lightning Round
Both keep read receipts off. One remarks that turning them off says something psychologically interesting, though not about any single type of person. Then they're reminded it's supposed to be a lightning round.
- Script or improv: both.
- Now or Later (the candy): later.
- Text or call: call, which draws an "old-fashioned."
- Sweet or savory: savory.
- Never or forever: forever.
- New York or LA: New York. The New York answer comes from Paltrow, who says she was born elsewhere but mostly grew up in New York. Chalamet says he associates her with her Architectural Digest house tour and calls her "Queen of California."
- Yes or no: yes, "like the Jim Carrey film," followed by the remark that "he's a go-getter."
They end by thanking Vogue.
What's the most niche fact about table tennis you learned in the making of this film? I didn't learn anything about table tennis. All right, that's honest. I just watched you play it. You were very impressive, but I learned no facts.
I love an honest Gwyneth. What's up Vogue? This is Timothée Chalamet. And I'm Gwyneth Paltrow and this is Off-The-Cuff.
Okay, round one, icebreakers. What's an interesting fact you learned recently? I learned recently that tomatoes have more DNA than human beings. How'd you learn that? I think because I was planting heirloom tomatoes and I started to read about tomatoes. And that's what it said. I would not have guessed that at all.
What's the last movie you watched? It might have been Tron: Legacy on the flight back from Abu Dhabi, with Jeff Bridges and Garrett Hedlund and Olivia Wilde. Wow, never heard of it. Great Daft Punk score. Oh, cool.
What was the first album you bought? Ooh, The Go-Go's first album, which was called, I can't remember, but it had "Our Lips Are Sealed" on it. Are you a Go-Go's fan? No. This is the, I'm, yeah, we're... That's the first time you bought with your own money, or...? Yes. Yeah. What was the first album you got? Just in life. Maybe Michael Jackson. Bad? No, honey. I don't know. Was that later or earlier?
Let's skip to the next question. What is your go-to song that you sing in the car? Probably like... Do you go musical? Do you go R&B? Do you go rap? It's been "Lady" by D'Angelo. Oh. It's D'Angelo. Okay. When I want to sing, I usually put on Bonnie Raitt. Who? Bonnie Raitt. I probably... No, I don't know. She's an amazing kind of Americana singer and she has the most beautiful voice. I'll text you a song.
Do you know Weyes Blood? Who? Weyes Blood. What's that? Del Rey world a little bit. That's like Americana. She did a voice on Marty Supreme. She did some of the background vocals. But I'm going to check out Bonnie Raitt. And I'm going to check out Weyes Blood. Weyes Blood.
When is the last time you caused chaos by accident? I think that should be a question for you. Actually, it wouldn't be by accident, would it? Ooh, remember when you went to the Timothée Chalamet look-alike contest? But maybe that's not by accident. Yeah. Trying to think when I caused chaos. I mean, under what circumstance would I cause chaos? I made a terrible dinner the other night by accident.
What was on the menu? Well, it was just supposed to be roast chicken and I totally biffed it. It sounds simple though. I know, exactly. I was doing a wardrobe fitting for all this press and everything. You're supposed to put it in at room temperature and I put it in cold and it made it kind of rubbery. Did it come out badly? Oh, rubbery, okay. Like undercooked? No, just the texture was weird. All right. That was chaos to me.
Round two, getting personal. Hoho. What is the funniest moment we have had together? I like seeing you get a little impatient sometimes, because you carried a voice of authority, which was refreshing. Even as one of the lead characters in the movie, I don't feel like I could ever, you know, speak up or anything. "What the hell are we doing? What is taking so long?" And Gwyneth's frustration was guttural.
I think what people don't understand is when you're doing a scene and it's intense, it's like you want to keep going. On this movie in particular, there was a lot of chill. Darius Khondji, cinematographer, was a legend, and we had a lot of people that were demanding space, and then, you know, the time for us to get to act on camera gets lost in the cracks a little bit, but you always spoke up. I thought that was great. That would give me a laugh, because I'd go, "Wow, Gwyneth's got to go home. She's got stuff to do. She's got a helicopter to catch to go to the Wildflower Farms." She does, definitely.
Okay, what is your go-to comfort food when you're off set? It'll be like Southern comfort. I pretend like I'm from Baton Rouge or something, you know. I'll have mac and cheese and fried chicken. Biscuits. Biscuits and... Collard greens. Collard greens. Okra. Okra. And that'll fill me up for 2 days, because I'm a thin guy, so.
When you're working, are you careful about what you eat? Increasingly as I get older. I feel like in my early 20s, mid 20s, you can kind of just... Now I'm like very... Now it's like pathetic, you know. I'll have a cheat night that's, you know, not anything crazy, and I'm out, you know.
Tell us a little known fact about you. I have a very raunchy sense of humor that not a lot of people see or hear. Yeah, I could guess that.
What is one thing we disagree on? I think we have a cordial, respectful relationship. I mean, we've never had an overt disagreement. No. No. No, that'd be hilarious. That'd be awesome, on set screaming. Just screaming at each other on set, that'd be... That would be horrible. I would be traumatized. That would sell tickets.
All right, round three, Marty Supreme. Let's see. What was your first day on set like? My first day was our costume test, but do you think they mean the real first day when we were on...? Yeah, what was your first shoot day? Was it together? Oh, yeah, you were there. Yeah, that was the first day. That was my first day. The whole play sequence? That whole play sequence was my first day, which actually was a blessing, because I was nervous and I started in theater, so I felt okay, at least I'm on the stage.
That's an interesting one to start with. You started pretending you were in a play. Yeah. And were you happy to be there, or did you have any buyer's remorse on acceptance of the role? Happy to be there. I felt nervous, but then very quickly I was like, oh, this is fun. Like we're blocking a play and there was a lot of sort of freedom. I was like, where do I stand? And he's like, that, just, you know, whatever. And I was like, oh my god. That kind of freedom was exhilarating, but also a little scary.
And then there was that hilarious part where you came out and did the... That was where I laughed. I felt I broke a few times during that scene. The play would make me laugh when you guys did it. And Fred was amazing, your co-star. But did you have a moment where you went back in your trailer and you looked at the mirror and you went, "I'm back, baby"? No. Okay. I did not do that. Okay. No. I would have done that.
What's something unexpected you did to prepare for your role in Marty Supreme? A lot of videos of watching giraffes. They have a certain elongated posture and way of... Is this a true story? Yeah. I mean, if you really watch the movie closely, you'll see that there are moments, you know, mid-scene, where I'll elongate. I'm serious. Cat, what's the connection between... Like why were you personifying a giraffe? Because that's the original logo. Any ITTF world championship balls always had a giraffe on them. And then it's only a recent thing where they took all the giraffes off.
How involved are you in selecting your character's... Being punked? How involved are you in selecting your character's wardrobe? I would say the regular amount. I love clothes. I love costumes. And I do feel like the costumes are sort of at least part of the battle. I love to really feel like I'm inhabiting the character when I'm... But you had amazing costumes in this, right? And also Miyako was great, right? Miyako was unbelievable. I mean, it was basically like we just looked through a lot of pictures and then we tried on like a million vintage different suits and then we just talked about it. But I mean, she is just so extraordinarily talented. Yeah, hugely.
Which one of Marty's fits was your favorite? What does that mean? Come on, you know that. Fits? Like outfits? It's an acronym. What is it? Fit. You know, fits. My favorite Marty Supreme outfit was the mid... Wait, hold on. What's the acronym of fit? It's like, I can't tell you. There's an initiation. Next question.
No. My favorite Marty Supreme outfit was the fresh mint short-sleeve tee, sweater like, so, over it. Very fresh. What did you wear that in? What scene? That's in the lunch sequence with Kevin O'Leary in Paris. That was one of my first days shooting, and I was still walking around outside with, you know, Josh would up my eyes to put real glasses on them, and I was walking outside in New York. I really couldn't see a thing. But at least you had a good outfit on. I had a good outfit. Good fit, excuse me. Come on. Lock it in.
What is this look from? That's, it's embarrassing to know so quickly. It was a pre-SAG Awards party. I was like 16 or 17. I got tomato sauce on my face in that picture, because I didn't know there were going to be any pictures. So I literally have tomato sauce on my... There you go. If you look closely, yeah, I got tomato sauce on the left side of my face there.
And this one? Oh, I know what that is. In fact, I still have that. That is from, I went to a premiere. I feel like I've seen this. Oh, that's very '90s. Yeah. This is a Pinterest favorite right here. Do you ever feel like, wow, I am representative of the coolest generation in Hollywood and all that? I don't generally think that, but... You know, look in the mirror and go, "I'm back, baby." Do you? You know, I think we're slacking. You guys were all killing it. The '90s had a good... We had a good vibe going. Unbelievable.
Do you feel like it's hard for things not to feel referential now? Yes, extremely. I wonder why that is. Because I've seen everything before. There you go. Did you get a converse idea from someone? No? No. I was my own stylist. There were no stylists back then, you know. Yeah. Super fresh. Like when I would do a red carpet, I would literally get look books from designers and go through and pick out stuff, and it was fun. It was very low-fi, and I think it was so you really express your own... Very Gen X, you know? It's like we're too cool to try that hard. That was sort of the vibe.
What about this? Huh. Oh, I know who this is. Oh, is that Marty Weisman? It is. Okay. Marty Weisman, what a cool guy. Damn, fresh.
Okay, and finally, this one. Oh. You know who this is? It's Kevin. This is Kevin. Yeah. And his dual watches. Dual watches. Wait, can you remind me why his character wore two watches? Because he wears two watches. He just wanted... And those were his personal watches in the movie. And as he said to me, if these make it in the movie, they're going to go up in value. Oh, yeah, because he's a collector of watches. He's a collector.
Okay, round four, lightning round. Read receipts, on or off? Off. Off, yeah. Like where it says "read" under a text? No, no. Yeah. What about you? Off. Off. That's an interesting psychological profile when people do that. And it's not the same type of person. There's a variety of person. This is supposed to be a lightning round. Cool, let's go.
Script or improv? Both. Now or Later? Like the candy? The Later. Oh my god, Later candy, wow. Later. Later. Text or call? Call. Oh, old-fashioned. Sweet or savory? Savory. Never or forever? Forever. Aw.
New York or LA? Ooh, tough, tough, tough. Damn. What about you? No loyalty. New York. Yeah, so what? Yeah, yeah, but aren't you... I grew up in New York. Oh, you did? Yeah. I was born here, but I mostly grew up in New York. See, I just think of the Architectural Digest, I think of the house tour, Queen of California.
Oh, last one. Okay. Yes or no? Yes. Okay. Yes, like the Jim Carrey film. He's very... he's a go-getter, guys. Vogue. Thanks for having us, Vogue. See you next time.
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